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Post by Silver on Dec 15, 2014 12:22:16 GMT -6
I want to emphasize that PVP is by permission only, we take this very seriously.
Hitting another player with spells, weapons etc is not to happen until permission is given. If the party contacted does not want to fight they must leave the area.
When reporting this rule violation, please submit screenshots, these are the best, both for dialog and actions taken. As much as you can so we get the background/context.
The first time the offending player gets a warning after two warnings they get a temp ban.
Sometimes a person will not want to say anything and just avoid the other player in future. However if you have had this happen and have not been able to talk reasonably to the other party or feel intimated I encourage you to please bring this to our attention.
Someone who violates this rule with you, violates it with others.
We don't want necessarily players to get along in game because they of course play different alignments, guilds, races etc. But we should at the end of play go away feeling we had fun or a challenge but not hard feelings.
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Post by dm tw0edge on Dec 15, 2014 23:17:14 GMT -6
what about casting aura of blinding glory on a pc you think is evil without prior consent ? is this acceptable ?
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Post by SolidAir on Dec 16, 2014 4:07:28 GMT -6
"Hitting another player with spells, weapons etc is not to happen until permission is given."
Pretty straight forward, really. You'd think.
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Post by Silver on Dec 16, 2014 9:34:32 GMT -6
It is any offensive action.
"A brilliant radiance spreads from you, brightly illuminating the area. The light is similar to that created by the daylight spell, but no magical darkness counters or dispels it. Furthermore, evil-aligned creatures are blinded within this light. Blinding glory brought into an area of magical darkness (or vice versa), including an utterdark spell, is temporarily negated, so that the otherwise prevailing light conditions exist in the overlapping areas of effect."
I see why you ask, it's still offensive in that it would be like a blind or deafness spell but more targeted.
The PVP rule is to avoid hard feelings and also so that players do not feel they are "forced" into rp they don't feel comfortable with.
Also it goes without saying if someone refuses PVP and leaves the area the aggressor should not repeatedly come back at them time and time again. That's harassment and a players can feel hunted.
Incapacitating someone (paralyzing them etc) without asking PVP permission is the same thing. An attack is an attack. Killing and raising, same thing. Even if they are brought back, it was an attack.
The idea is get to know who appreciates what style of role play. Have standing permission with friends and others. We are all different role play styles and age groups.
Some play here, myself for one, because it is a place to get away from real life pressures. The PVP rule is to try and make sure this is a safe place to play.
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Post by shalvan on Dec 23, 2014 5:29:19 GMT -6
Well, a good character walking around the city (which he deems is inhabited by good folk) might cast such a spell, just to get rid of the darkness. Vaeran has done it a couple times in the past. Also it is a spell he routinely casts when he is out in the dungeons. What if he does indeed meet an evil guy in a dungeon? He gets instantly blinded while Vaeran did not take any hostile action - he might get a reason to do it though.
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Post by dm tw0edge on Dec 23, 2014 8:26:09 GMT -6
Well, a good character walking around the city (which he deems is inhabited by good folk) might cast such a spell, just to get rid of the darkness. Vaeran has done it a couple times in the past. Also it is a spell he routinely casts when he is out in the dungeons. What if he does indeed meet an evil guy in a dungeon? He gets instantly blinded while Vaeran did not take any hostile action - he might get a reason to do it though. At what point does that in character action have in character consequences ? |
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Post by pokechop on Dec 23, 2014 11:51:53 GMT -6
There are other spells to get rid of darkness. Especially with the server so divided and jumpy these days. Save it for the dungeon crawls.
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Post by kgb on Dec 23, 2014 17:22:59 GMT -6
How about... a paladin walks through the forest... Or even better... a paladin sits in the park. suddenly a guy comes to him. The other char is also PC and he starts to insult paladin, telling him he is(put what ever insult works for you here) And then tells paladin that he is half devil. and show his wings and horns, and calls paladin a coward (or what ever will piss off that paladin IC) But then player sends tell and tells paladin player "I do not wish to PVP"
Then what?
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Post by pokechop on Dec 23, 2014 19:23:48 GMT -6
How about... a paladin walks through the forest... Or even better... a paladin sits in the park. suddenly a guy comes to him. The other char is also PC and he starts to insult paladin, telling him he is(put what ever insult works for you here) And then tells paladin that he is half devil. and show his wings and horns, and calls paladin a coward (or what ever will piss off that paladin IC) But then player sends tell and tells paladin player "I do not wish to PVP" Then what? As a resident paladin on the server for many years I think I can answer this. I've had just about every possible demon devil assassin palemaster blackguard blah blah blah sit down at the tavern fireplace to torment taunt and insult Pierre. Not once did it ever lead to unprovoked PVP (though one DM had an assassin cut his throat as he sat in his chair. Bastard). Instead it would result in 'verbal joust' where a skilled RPer will inevitably triumph, and the common idiot trolling hack would flounder. I used to have good sport with them. |
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Post by kgb on Dec 23, 2014 19:44:10 GMT -6
SO... basically you say.... a paladin would argue with obviously evil person who taunts him and trying to make him look bad? I can see paladin actually doing it... What about... someone comes to evil demon/devil/necromancer/blackguard/palemaster/ what ever? Should evil char be as forgiving as paladin?
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Post by freddy on Dec 23, 2014 19:47:29 GMT -6
From the other side I can testify to the fact... the verbal banter between both the good vs evil and the evil vs good was always entertaining. It would lead onto some great RP and some awesome sub-plots
Some of my greatest memories of old where when we had our encounters with the good guys (Zhentarium Blackguard from Lost Dale times)
On side note, Evil is not stupid they should understand their own limitations... sure they push it like anyone does but just like a paladin is restricted by their own law so is a evil chara even those who play CE.. that is unless someone is playing a psychopath in which case they generally wouldn't survive very long.. who listens to the ramblings of a mad man in the street?
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Post by daneofshadows on Dec 24, 2014 9:19:22 GMT -6
I play one of the evil aligned characters. I don't initiate confrontation generally. I have dealt with so much confrontational attitude that I ended up pulling my RP out of the open months ago. Since then, players come to the Crag and bring the confrontation to me and my friends.
When I came to this server, I didn't go looking to pick on people and force them to put up with my character. You don't like my RP or my character or my style of play; that's fine, I can play in my corner and leave you to play in yours and we move along.
So don't come to me and initiate a confrontation or bait me IC or OOC with repeated insults and slurs about how my character is dressed, how I play, how my friends play, judgments about other servers I play in or whatever else you think will set me and my character off unless you really want to follow through with the fight you picked.
Initiating confrontation IS engagement in PVP. Hiding behind rules on attacking doesn't make you a good RPer or player..it makes you a bully because you think you can use that to do whatever you want and get away with it.
You initiate verbal or physical confrontation with my character..be ready for that fight you started because I am not accepting avoidance of PVP. You play nice, I'll play nice too.
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Post by kgb on Dec 24, 2014 11:53:34 GMT -6
I must say... I played a full blooded celestial who who was Justice Archon. I also played a devil. I played human warrior, human assassin and I played Dragon. I played vampire and I played aasimar paladin. With all of them... I played nice. Nice in the sence... I will not be rude to pc I see first time. I will speak and rp with anyone who wish it. My chars will have different sense of humor but they will all have what they like and what not.
BUT...
With all of them. If PC comes and taunt my char. Try to humiliate him and try to make my char look weak in the eyes of his friends or crew or what ever... I will engage in PVP. Bring PVP to me and you will get it. OR be nice as much as my char is.
So I agree with daneofshadows in that part
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Post by pokechop on Dec 24, 2014 15:27:26 GMT -6
"He who strikes the first blow admits he's lost the argument."
Chinese Proverb
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Post by kgb on Dec 24, 2014 17:52:13 GMT -6
There is no argument if one side is just slamming bad words and insults. Argument means... both sides have arguments... arguments are sentances that mean something and are used to prove your point of view.
"You are stupid, and where is your god NOW?"
That is not an argument that is dumb taunt
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